Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak reflects on Jobs, company's early years

Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak spoke fondly of Steve Jobs, saying how the pair enjoyed the music of Bob Dylan and talked of changing the world.

Wozniak said Jobs — who died in 2011 — as a teen was a hippie who traveled a lot and the two were friends for a few years before founding Apple. Wozniak spoke Tuesday in Naples at a business conference.

Jobs was often barefoot, Wozniak said, and he said he expanded Jobs' appreciation of Dylan music. They studied Dylan album covers and liner notes while playing the music of the rock legend from Duluth, Minnesota.

"Steve had no money and I had no savings account," Wozniak told a gathering Tuesday of about 350 at the annual CME Group Global Financial Leadership Conference at The Ritz-Carlton beach resort. 

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They also shared an interest in computers and other technology. 

Wozniak described himself as the inventor while Jobs helped to market their products early on, especially the Apple II computer that hit the market in the late 1970s. The Apple II would become one of the first highly successful mass-produced microcomputer products. 

And Jobs always was the kind of person who "wanted to move the world forward," Wozniak said.

"He was like that since the day I met him," he said.

But not everything the company created was a hit, Wozniak said. He called the Apple III in 1980 an "utter failure," and Apple endured other setbacks as well.

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It wasn't until the success of the iPod released in 2001 that Apple returned to prominence.

The iPhone series a few years later followed, and now Apple remains one of the most recognized and relevant companies in the world.

"He made the iPhone so beautiful," Wozniak said of Jobs. "Every little detail on it had to be usable by an average person. Steve wasn't a technologist. He knew the iPhone had to be understandable by people."

Wozniak said the iPhone, social media and other technology have improved drastically over the years.

Even so, he said he no longer uses Facebook because it became a habit and he didn't know most of his 5,000 followers.

Wozniak disputed some who have portrayed a rivalry between him and Jobs.

"Ever since I was very young, I was shy and just didn't want to have any conflict. I didn't want to have any enemies and wanted to be friends with everybody," he said.

"And I was friends with Steve Jobs, right to the end."