CNLP 099: What Smaller Church Pastors Really Need and Why – An Interview with 200 Churches’ Jeff Keady and Jonny Craig

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Only a small percentage of churches ever grow past 200 attenders.

Enter Jeff Keady and Jonny Craig, whose podcast and blog, 200churches.com, is a resource to small church pastors everywhere. Jeff, Jonny and I discuss what small church pastors really need, and why.

Welcome to Episode 99 of the Podcast.

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200 Churches

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Jonny Craig on Twitter

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Karl Vaters; Episode 30

Dave Jacobs

John Finkelde

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Comparison Trap

Billy Hybels

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The DISC Assessment

Myers Briggs

3 Things You Can Do Right Away

Jonny and Jeff found that not all pastors are satisfied with the size of their churches, but there is fulfillment beyond “bigger is better.” Growth doesn’t equate to health, so Jonny and Jeff started speaking into what works for small churches how the health of the ministry can thrive.

  1. Find relationships that build into you. Pastors, no doubt, are beat down. They feel like because they’re small in size, they’re failing, but that isn’t necessarily true. Pastors, especially if they’re the only ones serving a small church, face loneliness and isolation because they’re in remote places and don’t have the people or resources to lean onto. Technology, primarily social media, allows you to reach out to others and find those relationships. (And if you need one bad enough Jonny and Jeff will talk to you!) You will find them, and you can find them.
  2. Leverage the gifts of others in your church. You can give off administrative tasks without giving away pastoral leadership. When pastors can’t share the load with others who are gifted, they’re limiting their potential. Be wise about what others in your church are capable of. If you’re doing every ministry on your team, you need to start cutting or stepping back. If people protest, it’s time to start having those hard conversations about getting stuff done.
  3. Do a self assessment. There are several assessments you can take online to determine your strengths and weaknesses. (See The DISC Assessment and Myers-Briggs in the links above.) Not only do they point out how to leverage your talents, but they allow you to dissect yourself in ways that are helpful to others. We step into situations unaware of how we’ll respond, but being self-aware can help you communicate and nurture relationships more effectively.

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Carey Nieuwhof
Carey Nieuwhof

Carey Nieuwhof is a best-selling leadership author, speaker, podcaster, former attorney, and church planter. He hosts one of today’s most influential leadership podcasts, and his online content is accessed by leaders over 1.5 million times a month. He speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change, and personal growth.