Via the Shanghaiist (and be sure to check out the article so you can see the picture):
A Chinese family allowed their son to squat down and defecate in the cabin aisle of a Delta Airlines flight from Beijing to Detroit in the US, leaving other Chinese passengers onboard the flight shaking their heads in shame, Sina News reports.
Wang, a passenger on the flight, revealed that a pair of grandparents and parents paved newspapers on the aisle for the boy to pass a bowel movement publicly.
Passengers and flight attendants urged the family to take the kid to toilet but the grandfather insisted on letting the boy settle there. The whole plane reportedly began to smell, triggering discontent and complaints among riders.
I’m still not quite sure what’s worse — the story, or the comments section of that story. Sometimes I think I have trolls on this blog, but they pale in comparison to the ones on this article.
Like this one:
Why complain so much of us Chinese? We Chinese own 1.3 trillion of your USA debt so in truth we own you so shut your mouth. Guess what? We Chinese built much of the plane too. I love the smell of good poo on good Chinese.
Or on the other extreme, this one:
I know you Chinese own a lot of money to US, money gained in centuries of slave condition under Chinese and foreigner exploitation. The big part of the world bears China only for money, otherwise Chinese are nothing, less than animals…. great China!
Oh, the internet…
Detroit Airport
(Tip of the hat to @craig_xpat)
@ IvanY perhaps they could shit in your mouth
I had a similar situation happen to me on a China Southern flight from PEK to Guilin. We had an emergency stop in Taoyuan, for some reason, unsure. This boy had to pee, there was line for the bathroom (unsure about why airplane bathrooms are so popular in China), so his mom told him to pee into a bag. They were sitting right in front of me. Then the mother proceeds to put the bag...
I had a similar situation happen to me on a China Southern flight from PEK to Guilin. We had an emergency stop in Taoyuan, for some reason, unsure. This boy had to pee, there was line for the bathroom (unsure about why airplane bathrooms are so popular in China), so his mom told him to pee into a bag. They were sitting right in front of me. Then the mother proceeds to put the bag of pee under her seat, next to my feet. I ask her in Chinese, "What is this?" She says, "a bag of pee." I tell her that I don't want it at my feet and she moves it to another seat where another of my friends is sitting, he tells he doesn't want it. She starts explaining that there is nothing to worry about, that it is just pee and swings the bag in his face. We immediately press the call button and the situation calms down and the mother disposes of the bag in the trash.
I'm so glad it wasn't poop.
Can anyone explain why public defecation/urination by children is so common in China? Is it a lack of public restrooms?
"The people that run Shanghaiist only report vile and tasteless information about China. They should be run out of China." --
so for those people that do " vile and tasteless" things - it is ok.
for those who report such - run them out of china?
i dont get it. are you trying to paint a harmony, peaceful, no offense to whoever picture? are you 13 yrs old?
This is why we need to nuke China before it's too late.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse! This was an American flight! Quit making lame excuses for these criminals. If you or I did this on a flight, we'd be arrested! they'd devert the plane to do it! These people are safisticated enough to board a Delta plane, but don't know to use the rest room? HOGWASH! They were too lazy to get up!! They'd better learn quickly.
I also agree with @mcfocus that there are so many naive American say how much they know China... They just could not be more silly. I've lived in the Bay Area for 8 years and Indianapolis for another 4 years, and I could not fully understand the country, how could those Western people understand China just through Beijing, Shanghai, and Hong Kong. They're just like Obama - thinking he could help Ukrainian but never gave a shit.
@Bill + 1 @mcfocus +!
To all idiotic American: What happened just on the Delta flight was neither liked nor allowed in China either. They do not represent the whole nation. I've lived in Berkeley/San Francisco for 8 years and I've seen several homeless people shitted in public. Even while I was in Beijing, there was an American tourist got fucking drunk and tried to rape a Chinese girl on the street.
Also, in the...
@Bill + 1 @mcfocus +!
To all idiotic American: What happened just on the Delta flight was neither liked nor allowed in China either. They do not represent the whole nation. I've lived in Berkeley/San Francisco for 8 years and I've seen several homeless people shitted in public. Even while I was in Beijing, there was an American tourist got fucking drunk and tried to rape a Chinese girl on the street.
Also, in the Gay Pride Parade a couple weeks ago, there were so many naked people acting like dumb shit; I should have taken a picture and post it to Sina Weibo, "THIS IS WHAT AMERICAN PEOPLE COMMONLY DO LOL"
@Jack @ Peter This is because America doesn't have public bathrooms available around the clock. It's not like homeless people want to just go anywhere. Would they be allowed to use the lobby or bar bathroom at the nearest hotel? Nope. I'm not homeless, but I've been in almost desperate straits trying to find a bathroom open to the public in Manhattan in the middle of a weekend day.
@Jack +1
Pee and poop are far from uncommon in American subway train cars, platforms, stairs... oh and in public elevators.
This is just another typical racist post by "Lucky" the faggot
When a country has 1.3 billion people, someone is going to do something stupid.
To the people commenting on my comments: "Am I bothered?" :)
This 2014, where are the pics
"On the bullet train from Beijing to Shanghai in 2011 a Chinese girl gave her boyfriend an under a jacket hand job on the train all while sitting next to Lady Tocqueville"
To which I would have turned to Mrs. Dave and said "When in China do as the Chinese do!"
Some delta flights always smell like toilets. Delta's just mad because now they will have to pack pooper scoopers on all China flights and they are calculating the cost of the extra weight. Should have backed up a little for your photo of DTW Terminal A to get the fountain. Of course some might have confused the fountain for a group of Chinese kids who had politely held their pee until getting to the terminal....
Some delta flights always smell like toilets. Delta's just mad because now they will have to pack pooper scoopers on all China flights and they are calculating the cost of the extra weight. Should have backed up a little for your photo of DTW Terminal A to get the fountain. Of course some might have confused the fountain for a group of Chinese kids who had politely held their pee until getting to the terminal. On a more serious note, this practice is not limited to China. Only a couple of years ago I saw a kid with his mom peeing on a street in an urban area on Jeju Doh ROK. I was told this was not a freak event.
What's the difference between a Chinese kid shit on planes and many homeless Americans shit on subway,street,literally everywhere they can?
If Air China, China Southern, or China Airlines wants to respect the traditions of its own citizens and allow such behavior, then they are welcome to it--but it also should be advertised that such behavior is tolerated by the airline. When a Chinese citizen flies on a flag airline of ANOTHER nation, however, it is the culture and norms of the flag nation that must be respected. This behavior described above is absolutely inappropriate on...
If Air China, China Southern, or China Airlines wants to respect the traditions of its own citizens and allow such behavior, then they are welcome to it--but it also should be advertised that such behavior is tolerated by the airline. When a Chinese citizen flies on a flag airline of ANOTHER nation, however, it is the culture and norms of the flag nation that must be respected. This behavior described above is absolutely inappropriate on a US carrier (or that of just about any other nation's carrier I can imagine, to be honest).
This isn't about Chinese citizens--it's about this one ignorant and disrespectful family. The Delta crew should have threatened the family with being returned immediately to China on arrival to the USA for this incident--and had they done so, gone ahead and flown them back on a Chinese partner airline once they arrived. Such behavior is not to be tolerated in modern society, and INTERNATIONAL airline travel is part of modern society.
For the blowhard above who used this incident to cast aspersion on all citizens of China, you should be ashamed of yourself. As noted also above, you are a racist and bigot who should refrain from embarrassing yourself further with such horribly ignorant statements. There are 1.4 billion Chinese citizens, and I do believe this would be the first time I've heard of one defacating on an international flight. Yes, I've been to China and realize that in some impoverished rural areas, their approaches and sites for defecation and urination are completely different from our own, but that in no way reflects on the nation as a whole. There are plenty of places in the good 'ole USA where people do EXACTLY the same thing. Get a grip and stop being so bigoted, judgmental, and unworldly.
And remember those barefoot morons who use their feet to push flight attendant call buttons after they walk down the same aisles heading to the lav?
This is how prejudice takes place: an asshole reporter of the Shanghaiist manipulatively picked the minority on Sina Weibo who defended the defecating boy on the Delta flight and tried to cause the illusion that they represented all the mainlanders all over the world. In short, my statements:
1) The defecating Chinese boy is really disgusting, and most Chinese people do not like this behavior, and this is a very rare case;
2)...
This is how prejudice takes place: an asshole reporter of the Shanghaiist manipulatively picked the minority on Sina Weibo who defended the defecating boy on the Delta flight and tried to cause the illusion that they represented all the mainlanders all over the world. In short, my statements:
1) The defecating Chinese boy is really disgusting, and most Chinese people do not like this behavior, and this is a very rare case;
2) There are a lot of disgusting American tourists in China as well, and I've seen quite a lot;
3) Don't say you understand China when you have just traveled to some big cities several times. That's too simple too naive;
4) Ben Schlappig As you blog, please bring objective facts, not manipulation to puzzle readers.
This is how prejudice takes place: an asshole reporter of the Shanghaiist manipulatively picked the minority on Sina Weibo who defended the defecating boy on the Delta flight and tried to cause the illusion that they represented all the mainlanders all over the world. In short, my statements:
1) The defecating Chinese boy is really disgusting, and most Chinese people do not like this behavior;
2) There are a lot of disgusting American tourists;
This is how prejudice takes place: an asshole reporter of the Shanghaiist manipulatively picked the minority on Sina Weibo who defended the defecating boy on the Delta flight and tried to cause the illusion that they represented all the mainlanders all over the world. In short, my statements:
1) The defecating Chinese boy is really disgusting, and most Chinese people do not like this behavior;
2) There are a lot of disgusting American tourists;
3) Don't say you understand China when you have just traveled to some big cities several times. That's too simple too naive.
4) Ben Schlappig As you blog, please bring objective facts, not manipulation to puzzle readers.
"American tourists also get a bad rap but we know that not all of those stereotypes are true."
To be fair ... American tourists get a bad rap for [some of us] talking loudly, walking & eating, wearing fanny packs, or being a little overweight. There's a big difference between any of those travel sins and pooping in a public confined space.
I'm sensitive to the fact that they might not have known this...
"American tourists also get a bad rap but we know that not all of those stereotypes are true."
To be fair ... American tourists get a bad rap for [some of us] talking loudly, walking & eating, wearing fanny packs, or being a little overweight. There's a big difference between any of those travel sins and pooping in a public confined space.
I'm sensitive to the fact that they might not have known this was unusual, but I do have several questions for this family:
1) Where do you think everyone else is pooping?
2) Who did you think was responsible for collecting your child's poop and when? Follow up: Does it not smell bad to you?
3) Where do you poop at home?
@Joey - Dogs are allowed to poop outside because they can't be trained to do so in a toilet. Humans can quite easily learn to poop in toilets, and it's part of child rearing in most--though apparently not all--countries. There's even a book I'd recommend on the subject. http://amzn.to/1l5ikA6
I'll be in Beijing next week and have cut crotched suit pants ready to go. This function will be the grand finale of my board meeting presentation to win local respect. Don't knock it 'till you've tried it.
nothing new to me, they have taken a dump at 2010 World Expo Exhibit hallway because the line was so long & they didnt want to lose their place.
I was in Taipei back in May strolling in a tourist district and saw a father lifting his kid up so the kid can aim and shoot into a curb-side trash bin. I can tell they are from China, because of their accent and clothing, and also I am a Taiwanese.
so what's the fuss? it's just kids being kids.
On the bullet train from Beijing to Shanghai in 2011 a Chinese girl gave her boyfriend an under a jacket hand job on the train all while sitting next to Lady Tocqueville
Actually @Jason, the photo is from a similar previous incident, and it's clear from the tag:
"In February 2013, a boy was likewise photographed on a passenger plane crouching in middle of the aisle to do his business."
The internet is actually working as intended.
Disgusting behaviour. Obviously Chinese people need training in how to behave when abroad as to what is socially acceptable.
As much as I hate to see things like this happen, I don't think it is ever justified to tag a certain group of people like some in the comment section did. Then again, the internet is for the most part an irrational place, and particularly true for the comment section in Sina, so shouldn't be taken that seriously really.
And just a reminder of the size of the population China has. It is one...
As much as I hate to see things like this happen, I don't think it is ever justified to tag a certain group of people like some in the comment section did. Then again, the internet is for the most part an irrational place, and particularly true for the comment section in Sina, so shouldn't be taken that seriously really.
And just a reminder of the size of the population China has. It is one thing trying to get somewhere with, say, 10m people (like Taiwan, Hong Kong or Singapore), but it's another trying to do the same with 1.3 billion. And in the foreseeable future we are going to continue witness a varied Chinese population. There will be great people, and there will be people less familiarized with the basics of modern society. This is also why I hate to see (and unfair really) that people start to tag people because of one or two cases they've seen/ reported.
In the interest of full disclosure I'm a Chinese residing in mainland China.
Just noting that Kitty's rant against Shanghaist didn't say anything about their stories being untrue, which is better than what you can say for most of the mainstream news outlets in China. Stick with your propaganda, Kitty, and that way your feelfeels won't get bruised. As for the actual story, well, the Chinese have now overtaken the Americans as the horrifying traveler abroad. This story is hardly an isolated incident. Welcome to the modern world.
Look at that damn picture a bit closely, will ya? It's a F@#*ing narrow body jet! Since when does Delta fly a narrow body jet to China??? Oh, the internet…
Absolutely disgusting. This family should be ashamed of themselves, but they're probably wondering why everyone is mad at them. Morons.
America, the land of toilets and integrated plumbing. We are on our way.
WOW, as a main lander who was born in China and grew up in the US, I just had to chime in after reading the comments. First, I do think this behavior is appalling and embarrassing. I haven't seen this during my visits to family in various cities in China, though I'm not that surprised that there are still places where people still will have their kids go to the bathroom in public. Anyways, I...
WOW, as a main lander who was born in China and grew up in the US, I just had to chime in after reading the comments. First, I do think this behavior is appalling and embarrassing. I haven't seen this during my visits to family in various cities in China, though I'm not that surprised that there are still places where people still will have their kids go to the bathroom in public. Anyways, I think it's pretty prejudiced that commenters are grouping all people from mainland China into this one category of rifraff. American tourists also get a bad rap but we know that not all of those stereotypes are true. And why does everybody have to jump to oh it's all be because of communism? I know that there is a lot of bad behavior around the world but politics is not the root of it all.
This reminds me of how we end up with 10 page, fine print "contracts" just to do something simple like fly a plane (or 100 pages to buy a piece of land). Every sentence is the result of some ambiguity or "misunderstanding" that a 'reasonable person" had previously. So, we add a sentence to clarify. I guess my next Delta T&C will include "passengers are required to defecate and urinate in the rest rooms provided,...
This reminds me of how we end up with 10 page, fine print "contracts" just to do something simple like fly a plane (or 100 pages to buy a piece of land). Every sentence is the result of some ambiguity or "misunderstanding" that a 'reasonable person" had previously. So, we add a sentence to clarify. I guess my next Delta T&C will include "passengers are required to defecate and urinate in the rest rooms provided, unless they have a medical condition preventing same, in which case they shall wear appropriate prophylactic devices/garments" (don't want to run afoul of the ADA). sigh.
The people that run Shanghaiist only report vile and tasteless information about China. They should be run out of China.
LMAO I read it wrong and through it said defected, hence I was trying to understand the custom of pooping on plane to renounce your Chinese citizenship.
I recently came back from a trip to China and was shocked by the cultural differences. I am American born Chinese . This was my first trip there. I am sure they were also looking at me and wondering what the heck. But there are significant differences in what is acceptable and what is not. Clearly we all know this is not but obviously they did not. And we all do not know what circumstances there were.
Hey, we English people used to shit in the streets.... In the victorian era...
Jay's comment may sound extremely prejudiced, but if you have lived in Hong Kong or Singapore, you'd probably be more understanding. I wouldn't call them vermin but there have been enough reported stealing incidents to make you feel a bit uneasy when you sit near a group of mainland Chinese travellers (who also tend to talk loudly).
In case anyone hasn't watched the show on the History Channel, "Swamp People" follows the lives of several families that hunt alligators in Louisiana.
Wow, just wow, regarding the incident(s) and the comments on the Sina article!
Lucky, hopefully your readers won't lump all the Chinese in the world together on this. The Chinese in the US, Canada, Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc., basically overseas Chinese whose families did not grow up under Communist rule are appalled at the "Mainlanders". China has thousands of years of both history and culture, the Mainlanders are literally sh*tting on it! Mainlanders are...
Wow, just wow, regarding the incident(s) and the comments on the Sina article!
Lucky, hopefully your readers won't lump all the Chinese in the world together on this. The Chinese in the US, Canada, Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc., basically overseas Chinese whose families did not grow up under Communist rule are appalled at the "Mainlanders". China has thousands of years of both history and culture, the Mainlanders are literally sh*tting on it! Mainlanders are not representative of all Chinese in the world. It'll be like saying the Swamp People, honest hard-working folks that they are, represent the culture and history of NYC!
for all those here defending this family... so what is the solution here? we have to accept people defecating on planes because it is part of their culture, yes? they don't have learn to use the toilet just because we do, correct? hmmmm.... interesting.
Wow Jay, need to look at yourself in the mirror dude. That's the kind of attitude Hitler had towards Jews...
Ummm... Wow all around. The story is not as shocking as some of the idiotic comments such as @jay who calls people vermin and "these people"--perhaps some of the most prejudiced remarks I've heard in some time! How this person survives living abroad despite his hatred and intolerance of others is beyond me. Not to defend the airplane incident, but wow....
i will admit I don't understand why dogs can poop anywhere in usa (granted the owner has to pickup the poop) yet us humans can't do the same (of course we have to clean up the poop afterwards as well.)
At least, this was in economy class. Once again, qualifying my statement : "you never know what goes on behind the curtain!"
In the words of George Takei: Oh My!
You might think this weird but they actually do this in china, shit on the streets. This is what happens when you give these sort of ppl the ability to travel. Money doesn't civilise people it only allows them to bring their rubbish behaviour around with them now that they are free to move about. I am based in Singapore and when I travel within Asia I refuse to fly economy because even in SQ...
You might think this weird but they actually do this in china, shit on the streets. This is what happens when you give these sort of ppl the ability to travel. Money doesn't civilise people it only allows them to bring their rubbish behaviour around with them now that they are free to move about. I am based in Singapore and when I travel within Asia I refuse to fly economy because even in SQ it is gonna be filled with mainland Chinese tour groups and well no thank you. Also these vermin rummage through your luggage to steal stuff a few have been caught and convicted they work in gangs. I try and avoid all ppls from PRC like the plague, easier that way.
Very common in China. Check this out:
http://www.danielmcbane.com/china/children-bare-butt-pants/
Seen it in action a number of times..
FDW