Mint to display three 1933 double eagles at ANA World’s Fair of Money

The Smithsonian specimen of the 1933 Saint Gaudens double eagle. Hover to zoom.

Display will include previously unknown piece

Washington — The United States Mint announced today that it will display three of the nation’s 1933 double eagle gold coins in booth 218 at the American Numismatic Association’s World’s Fair of Money in Philadelphia from August 14 to August 18.

The display will feature two of the 10 pieces recovered by the government in 2004. Those coins were the subject of 11 years of litigation, which was resolved last year in favor of the government. The Mint will also display the previously undisclosed specimen that was voluntarily and unconditionally given over to the government by a private citizen who requested to remain anonymous.

In March of 1933, as one of the many measures designed to reverse the Great Depression, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt issued a proclamation prohibiting payment of gold coin. This resulted in the melting of 445,500 1933-dated double eagles previously struck at the Philadelphia Mint. Mint records clearly establish that no 1933 $20 double eagles were ever issued or released to the public as legal tender. The only specimens to leave the Mint lawfully were two 1933 double eagles provided to the Smithsonian Institution for preservation in the National Numismatics collection. Subsequently, one specimen recovered in 1996 became the subject of a unique settlement. The coin was monetized, issued by the United States Mint, and sold at auction in 2002 for $7.6 million.


Unlike nine specimens that were recovered during the 1940s and 50s, none of the specimens in Mint custody will be melted. United States Mint Director David J. Ryder said, “The United States Mint recognizes all of the country’s recovered 1933 Double Eagles as national numismatic treasures.”

About the United States Mint
Congress created the United States Mint in 1792, and the Mint became part of the Department of the Treasury in 1873. As the Nation’s sole manufacturer of legal tender coinage, the Mint is responsible for producing circulating coinage for the Nation to conduct its trade and commerce. The Mint also produces numismatic products, including proof, uncirculated, and commemorative coins; Congressional Gold Medals; silver and bronze medals; and silver and gold bullion coins. Its numismatic programs are self-sustaining and operate at no cost to taxpayers.

Press release courtesy of the United States Mint.

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Comments

  1. Hidalgo says

    Gold and silver taking big hits today. Gold under $1200. Silver nearing the $14 + mark. US dollar strengthening.

    US Dollar strengthening not a good thing for the US economy. US products will be more expensive overseas. That can lead to fewer purchases/lower revenue, put an end to the booming US economy, and lay the foundation for a recession.

  2. CaliSkier says

    WOW!!! PM’s are tanking today!!!

    Currently ALL listed are down:

    Au. -$18.20

    Ag – .31

    Pt – $ 30.00

    Pd – $ 22.00

    The NYSE Closing should be interesting?

  3. KEITHSTER says

    A sad and powerful coin indeed! Sad that they could destroy 445,500 and still want the few that were spared that fate? But sounds like our govermint? Feel sad for those people that had to give them up ! Powerful for the one that sold and what’s up with one gets 7.9 ,mil and the rest can go to hel? Oh Well Good luck To Us Anyway “><"<"<"<"<"<"<"<"<"<"<"

  4. CaliSkier says

    Now time for some fun w/a Guessing game! Key word here is GUESS! Less than a month ago(7/16) here are some 2018 PM, low spot price guesstimates! Again the Key word is…..yep, Guess!

    2018 low predictions*

    Cali: Au $1050 Ag $12.50 Pt $760 Pd $840
    A&L: Au $1160 Ag $13.80 Pt $715 Pd $865

    Today’s(8/13/18) low so far:
    Au $1191.30, Ag $14.91, Pt $ 794.00, Pd $875.00
    *Guesses/predictions, not intended or to be used for investment nor speculative purposes! The key word kids is? I’ll accept only one other answer when Grading your answers…….. FUN!

    PS Anyone else want to venture a “KEY word”?

  5. Numismatrix says

    The economy is picking up after a very long spell and funds are slowly migrating from PMs to mutual funds where prospects and yields are much higher – I’m shooting for under $1K Au – potentially $800 . . . !

  6. cagcrisp says

    I posted:

    • cagcrisp says
    July 20, 2018 at 10:11 am
    I don’t keep up with Palladium; Gold, Silver and Platinum are ALL within 0% to 2% of Closing Lows for CY2018
    07/19/2019 Close for CY2018:
    Gold $1,222.30
    Silver $15.28
    Platinum $805.00
    I would be Shocked IF Gold Closes Lower than $1,200.00 or Silver Closes Lower than $15.00
    Shocked…Shocked…Shocked…

    I would be Shocked IF the USD Strengthens much from 07/19/2018 High”

    …SO…Yep.. I Missed the Strength in the USD and am Shocked with what is happening with/in Turkey…

  7. Daveinswfl says

    Feeling sorry for early in the year mint gold buyers.

    Big gold sale going on….just waiting for Cag’s pricing update.
    No sales on the silver product, though. Hope they didn’t strike too much at higher prices.

  8. cagcrisp says

    Rumors are that some Central Banks are Selling Gold to shore up their currency.

    The credibility of that Rumor would be the FACT that Gold is Falling farther than the USD is gaining Strength.

    Some of these EM countries are getting hit Hard (debt) on the currency side because of the USD…

  9. Buzz Killington says

    @Keithster —

    What are you talking about? By definition, these 1933 Eagles were stolen property, except for the two that legally left the mint to go into the SI. No one obtained them legitimately, hence, none were required to be “given up.”

  10. Buzz Killington says

    @cag —

    I have to admire not only your intellect, but your intellectual honesty.

    Not only do you remind us when you predictions come true, you also remind us when they don’t.

    If gold falls far enough, it could be tempting to pick up some gold proofs. It is hard not to notice that high prices sell more gold than low prices.

  11. raphaelz says

    US products will be more expensive overseas. Many products that use to be Made in the U.S.A., now made in China. Textiles, TV’s, and a lot of items made oversea’s should cost less, unless import tariff’s are raised or the compaines in the U.S. just jack up the prices.

  12. cagcrisp says

    @Buzz Killington,”@Keithster —What are you talking about? By definition, these 1933 Eagles were stolen property, except for the two that legally left the mint to go into the SI. No one obtained them legitimately, hence, none were required to be “given up.”

    Yep. Agree 100%. Never understood the argument that stolen property should not be returned to the rightful owner just because a deadline was not met…

  13. cagcrisp says

    @Buzz Killington,”If gold falls far enough, it could be tempting to pick up some gold proofs. It is hard not to notice that high prices sell more gold than low prices.”

    It could be that some buying is going on with the Decrease in Spot prices on the Bullion side for both Gold and Platinum.

    Platinum Bullion has sold 30,000 oz. This year. Most Bullion sales since 1999
    Gold Bullion sales for June and July were Stronger…

    .

  14. CaliSkier says

    Beware!!! Jk OT

    Last year at the Denver ANA World’s Fair of Money, I had the pleasure to view 2 of the 1933 Double Eagles displayed by the US Mint on Sunday! I could be wrong, however I believe there were at least 5 armed police officers in uniform standing at all times, no less than 15-25 feet or so around the display! Who knows how many plainclothes officer or mint security were also in proximity? A few I’m sure.

    If any on MNB live in Philly or are traveling and or live in close proximity, I recommend going to see them!!! They’re pretty cool with interesting history surrounding these coins!!!

  15. gatortreke says

    I received an email from the Royal Canadian Mint this weekend promoting coin collecting titled “Thinking of becoming a coin collector”? I’m not sure why they sent it to me because I’ve done business with them previously but I do find it interesting that they are actively promoting the hobby in this basic way. The email outlines 5 steps, I’m copying and pasting the info just through Step 2 just to give a flavor of the contents:

    Are you thinking of starting a coin collection—but have no idea where to begin?

    Then this blog is for you.

    Here are a few tips and tricks to help you get started, and familiarize you with the world of coin collecting!

    But first…why should you collect coins?
    Collecting coins is no different from collecting a certain type of artwork, or first-edition books, or vintage stamps.

    Everyone has a different reason for collecting coins. That said, there are two main reasons people do it: for personal enjoyment, and/or as an investment.

    Coin collecting is fun!
    There is something so satisfying about having a collection of little treasures: small, intricately designed pieces of beautiful art that you can display and look at, any time you wish.

    You can also learn a lot from collecting coins. Over time, you may find yourself delving into history books, learning about politics, different cultures, iconic individuals and milestone events. Studying coins and their backgrounds can lead to a whole other passion for learning new things!

    Moreover, collectors find a lot of pleasure in the “treasure hunt.” It can require a lot of research, but it can be really exciting to eventually find that perfect coin for your collection.

    Collector coins may increase in value
    Not everyone collects coins as an investment. But if your collection includes higher-end coins, you may discover that many coins increase in value (based on a number of factors).

    You may also want to pass coins on to children and grandchildren one day—enabling them to further enjoy (and increase upon) the collection you’ve created!

    So now that you understand the “why” of coin collecting, here are five simple steps to help you with the “how.”

    Step #1: Get to know your “mint lingo”
    Like any specialized hobby or discipline, the world of coin collecting has its own language.

    Here are a few key terms to get you on your way:

    Circulation coins: Coins that have been used in commerce and circulated among the general population.
    Commemorative coins: Coins that are minted to commemorate a particular event, person, place, institution or issue. These are usually collector coins, and not circulated. (Also known as numismatic or collectible coins.)
    Face value: The nominal value displayed on the coin (not what you paid for it).
    Intrinsic value: The actual value of the coin, based on key factors including what you paid for it, plus the historic value, aesthetic features, mint year, scarcity/rarity (mintage), and collectability.
    Mint: An industrial facility that manufactures coins (e.g., Royal Canadian Mint).
    Minting: The process of manufacturing coins.
    Mintage: The number of coins issued of a particular design.
    Numismatics: The study or collection of coins or paper money.
    Numismatist: A student or collector of coins or paper money.
    Proof coins: Coins that are minted using a high-quality finish.
    Uncirculated coins: Either a circulation coin that has never been circulated, or a coin with a brilliant field over a brilliant relief.

    Coin “anatomy” terms
    The body of a coin has some specific terms as well. Here are some of the most popular:

    Obverse: The “heads” or face/front side of a coin, which normally depicts the national emblem or the head of a prominent person.
    Reverse: The “tails” side of a coin, usually depicting the chosen design.
    Relief: The raised or three-dimensional image found on a coin’s field.
    Field: The flat part of the coin (the background) on which the relief is struck.
    Rim: The raised portion that runs around the perimeter of a coin.
    Edge: The outer border of a coin, considered the “third side.” May be plain or serrated.

    Step #2: Just start collecting (yes, really)!
    You can begin your coin collection by doing two things:

    Acquiring coins that appeal visually and emotionally to you; and/or
    Collecting coin sets.
    To a collector, a coin can be precious for many reasons.

    Certainly, it may be because of its intrinsic value. Or because it’s made of rich materials like pure silver, pure gold, or platinum.

    But at its core, collecting coins is about creating something of significance—to you.

    So simply begin your collection by acquiring coins that pique your interest.

  16. John Q. Coinage says

    Funny, were not 1913 Liberty 5c essential self-struck (!?) & ‘stolen’ from Philly Mint? & never issued into circulation? What about all the 18th Cent. patterns that were never ‘monitized’……

  17. John Q. Coinage says

    How low can they go…..Current Metals Market:
    Gold bid 1193.60 , chg -17.60 ; Silver bid 14.98 , chg -0.29 @ Aug 13, 3:21:12 pm EST

  18. CaliSkier says

    It’s also ironic, although I’m sure even back then in 1944 King Farouk of Egypt was given a free pass by the US government, there were and still are back room favors done by and for World Leaders! That’s been going on since the dawn of man!

    Yet the rest of the 99% are expected to follow all laws or be punished and held accountable for ones actions! The problem I see with this is that, often the crimes committed by the 1%’s truly affects the other 99%! “Money talks, BS walks, & small change rides the bus!!!” Sorry, just saying, IMHO!

    Link(Wiki) to info about the 1933 Gold Double Eagles if curious or want to refresh your memory and or history.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_double_eagle

  19. KEITHSTER says

    I always thought these gold coins were paid for with paper money maybe not legit but to return them to the seller because they where not suppose to sell them? I don’t know kinda like given the dope back to the dealer because he was not suppose to sell it ya right? Reminds me of extinction which man is also good at and the S.I. ends up in the end now I think they got a DoDo don’t they? Now if you knew something was about to become extinct and did not do all in your power to stop it well shame on you! Oh does any one know did the S.I. pay for their 33 don’t suppose a gift maybe they could give them another one and hope they mate Mate. So even if stolen not extinct and a shout out to whom ever saved them for the rest of the world to see !!! And you did get to own them for all that time but shame on you ???

  20. Anthony says

    That ’33 Saint Gaudens @ the Smithsonian looks kinda tatty to me!
    (The 1907 High Relief is a breathtakingly beautiful coin.)

  21. Buzz Killington says

    If you read this wikipedia article, you will see that the one 1933 Double Eagle that WAS monetized and sold could not be proven by the USG that it was not the third legitimate Farouk piece. Ten pieces cannot be legitimate.

    The analogy between endangered species and coins minted in a particular year is a poor one. We need absolutely every species, and we should do everything we can to protect all of them.

    Coins are not minted every year, but it really doesn’t matter to anyone, including collectors.

  22. John Q. Coinage says

    Buzz indeed endangered species are under attack, I noted that Prez Trump served a Passenger Pigeon sandwich lunch with a Delta Smelt salad…. apps included a White Rhino pate~

  23. Anthony says

    @Buzz…

    “We need absolutely every species, and we should do everything we can to protect all of them.”

    ABSOLUTELY!!!!
    Every living thing in this world (ESPECIALLY HUMANS) depends upon a species-rich Earth!!!

  24. Buzz Killington says

    @JCQ —

    I think if Ryan Zinke could get away with that, he would absolutely do it. If you are an environmental voter, as I am, you can’t wait to cast your votes against these clowns who seem to be deliberately ANTI-conservation.

    The passenger pigeon is an interesting case in point. These were so prodigious that they were killed indiscriminately (like the Bison) but no species can survive such an onslaught, and that’s why they are gone. Which is why we need to make sure not to harm the species we do have, regardless of how secure their future might seem.

  25. John Q. Coinage says

    Buzz, you’re preaching to the choir, Trump wold kill the last manatee, pollute a desert pupfish hole with oil or mining waste or cut down the last redwood for a buck… IMHO

  26. Buzz Killington says

    @Anthony —

    I appreciate the sentiment. I hope you vote that way, and maintain your property that way.

    I remember bringing up native plants in another thread, and was gratified to get a handful of positive comments. We need a group of committed citizens to try changing the world right about now (with apologies to Margaret Mead).

  27. CaliSkier says

    John Q Coinage says: “Buzz, you’re preaching to the choir, Trump wold kill the last manatee, pollute a desert pupfish hole with oil or mining waste or cut down the last redwood for a buck… IMHO

    You’re are 100% CORRECT! Any, who say otherwise are just as ignorant as Mr. D CHUMP!!! He is a business man, however he’s a crooked, lying, fornicating, womanizing, chauvinistic, racist, Benedict Donald, Trumptastrophe of a POTUS!!!

    Not to mention he wouldn’t give a second thought to strip or arsenic mining for gold, restoring the clear cutting of our forests, then selling for pennies on the dollar to Russia, China, Japan, etc!

    Scary thing is the fact there are too many Sheeple Americans who share the same view as this social media Clown!!! Ugggh……F….

  28. CaliSkier says

    @ Cag: Are you, Shocked, Shocked…..Shocked, or Shocked……. Shocked…….Shocked???

    Sure hope you’re not near a golf course with thunder in the forecast!
    Because then you might really be SHOCKED⚡️

    Jk of course.

  29. Daveinswfl says

    Stronger dollar = cheaper gold. HURRAY!
    Would I love to see $200 gold again? You betcha!!! I’d be backin’ up the old pickup.
    One of the advantages of the dollar is everyone must have it…..for now.
    Why does everyone get so upset when quality goes on sale? Take advantage.

    Now, mint silver is a whole different story. I predict they will NOT reprice the silver coinage and sales will stagnate. No early sellout this year!

    You palladium buyers should be happy campers, too. The downturn may just wake up someone in management to the need to reduce mintage and Cag May even get his $600 premium!

  30. CaliSkier says

    Interesting read /history over on Coin Update News, which more than likely will show up tomorrow here on MNB. So if you’d like to read ahead, check it out! Q & A re: 1804 Dollar!

  31. CaliSkier says

    Daveinswfl says: “You palladium buyers should be happy campers, too. The downturn may just wake up someone in management to the need to reduce mintage and Cag May even get his $600 premium!”

    I’d be ok w/the 10,000 mintage Cag has been advocating for, however not the exorbitant premium of $600! Other than increasing the US Mint/Treasury Dept’s net gross or net income, why do some of you out there keep promoting, sticking it to the numismatists out there?

    What’s the reasoning of having a roughly $200 dollar over the gold premiums??? This only serves a single reason I can think of, and that’s ones own greed, IMO! Seems kind of self serving to me to try and scare off the collectors or numismatists due to out of whack premiums, for the benefit of the speculator, investor or flippers out there! Again this is a numismatic offering!

  32. KEITHSTER says

    Not a good analogy? Not once did I say endangered species . The word was extinct who has the count on how many species have been made extinct by man? And here man tried everything in its power to make this species of $20 gold disappear off the face of the earth? But for a few brave people it did not so that the rest of us can take in their site ! But no good a? But I suppose you would need a Buzz to be Killingtons of anything which may lead to the path of an endangered species and then God forbid? But Good Luck Anyway”>”>”><"<"<"<"

  33. Daveinswfl says

    Cali,
    Not MY idea…..but Cag’s.
    I quit buying everything the mint made a year ago and switched to bullion because the premium structure got too lopsided as did their PC tendencies.

  34. cagcrisp says

    You’ll need to keep in mind that as the USD gets Stronger and PM’s Fall in the US, for most of the world currencies PM prices are going Higher.

    That tells you how much of the world economy the US is…

  35. CaliSkier says

    @ Daveinswfl: I was only using what you commented, as a point of reference. That’s why I copied the part where you said ““Cag May even get his $600 premium!””

    This is his opinion and my comment was my honest opinion. Sorry if you thought or felt I was implying you were on board with Cag! By no means, am I anti-Cag, either! He offers and shares a great deal with MNB readership!!! Just because he and I differ on some points, I have the utmost Respect for him, his opinions, and views.

    Let’s be honest, has Cag ever had a problem or been unable to explain, share or defend his opinions, views or differences? NOPE! He has graciously and patiently responded quite positively to all of my, as well as others, inquiries, desires for advice, as well as differing opinions! I’m truly not trying to stir the pot or create a negative or divisive situation here! Just trying to express what I THINK & perhaps spark others to join in with their own take on the topics we discuss here! I have learned quite a bit over the past 10 years by reading MNB!!! I believe IMHO, regardless, Cag, is fine with others, sharing or not sharing his opinion and so am I. A Big THANKS to MNB for allowing this blog to continue relatively unfiltered, as is!,

    In addition THANKS, to all whom participate, read, comment, share, advise, advertise, etc., here on Mint News Blog! Y’all are awesome! As long as one DNFTT’s! Haven’t seen one in quite a while, which is great!!!

    Sincerely,
    CaliSkier

  36. Erik H says

    I received an eBlast from MCM today promoting the 2018-S ASE on sale tomorrow. In the blast it says, “The 2017-S Proof Silver Eagle sold through its limited mintage in a heartbeat!”

    So what does that have to do with the unlimited mintage 2018-S ASE released tomorrow? (rhetorical, no need to answer).

    I’m sure sales will excellent considering today’s price drop. LOL

  37. CaliSkier says

    Daveinswfl says: “I quit buying everything the mint made a year ago and switched to bullion because the premium structure got too lopsided as did their PC tendencies.”

    Although my ability to purchase online, direct from the Mint, has been resolved and having just made a significant 2 purchases, I’m considering the same!

    For the most part the only product I really like & feel like buying, is the ATB P 5oz series. I really like the fact, you’re able to enjoy the artwork without needing a loop! Not a fan of all of the designs, however until the 2016’s, I’d managed to have a complete set going! As many on MNB have said before, these would have been truly amazing in PF or enhanced Unc.! This perhaps would have been more popular and they’d more than likely would have consistently been able to sell more? So, other than the Apollo Commem’s, it’ll be mostly 5 oz’ers and maybe the Palladium Eagle for me!

    Oh yeah, some cheese please! As I’d really like the mint to adjust their silver product prices downward!!! Again, IMO the premiums to spot re: mint silver products has a direct correlation to the decrease is silver product sales.

    Consideration the mint says “A main objective of the numismatic program is to increase the Mint’s customer base and foster sales while controlling costs and keeping prices as low as practicable.” I think they are having a difficult time “fostering sales” or “increasing” their “customer base”! Of course, having Congress’s hands in the cookie jar, hasn’t helped either!

  38. CaliSkier says

    @ gatortreke: I received he same RCM e-mail and thought the same thing! Heck, at 1 point I was a Masters Club Member. Once I found out about Gatewest though, my direct RCM purchases have been virtually nonexistent.

    I found this small tidbit from the RCM, that you posted to be quite appropriate, yet very simple regarding collecting!

    “Everyone has a different reason for collecting coins. That said, there are two main reasons people do it: for personal enjoyment, and/or as an investment.”

  39. datadave says

    cagcrisp says

    Yep. Agree 100%. Never understood the argument that stolen property should not be returned to the rightful owner just because a deadline was not met…

    What about real property (land)? Your argument holds to some extent but most of us live on land than has been taken multiple times.

    What if property has been sold/traded multiple times?

  40. Larry says

    I saw the two 1933 double eagles when they were in the Smithsonian back in 1998 or so. I did not feel much security at all at the time, but I knew it must be there. Same way I felt when I took the tour at the place they make paper money.
    At least when the government “takes” these coins now they don’t melt them, as apparently they did in the past.
    I wish they would put one of the gold Sacawagea coins on display at one of these shows.

  41. cagcrisp says

    @datadave,”What if property has been sold/traded multiple times?”

    World courts (including US courts) have ruled numerous times that stolen Jewish artifacts by the Nazi’s have to be returned to rightful Jewish owners…regardless of how many times the artifacts have traded hands…

  42. cagcrisp says

    Oh Boy…From the US Mint:

    “Surprises await—will you be the lucky one? During a recent visit to the San Francisco Mint, Treasurer Jovita Carranza and U.S. Mint Director David J. Ryder were busy hiding “Easter Eggs” of sorts. They both signed a COA included in a John Adams Presidential Silver Medal, which goes on sale August 16 at noon. Additionally Director Ryder signed two other COAs: one in a San Francisco 2018 Reverse Proof Set; the other in a John Adams Presidential Silver Medal. Happy shopping!”…

    …SO…More and More Gimmicks…

  43. CaliSkier says

    @ Cag: Not thay you would, don’t take this the wrong way, but are you willing to explain how your answer to datadave’s question about property(LAND) involves Jewish WW II artifacts ruling in World courts as well as US???? Guess I’m confused again???

    datadave says:
    “cagcrisp says

    Yep. Agree 100%. Never understood the argument that stolen property should not be returned to the rightful owner just because a deadline was not met…

    What about real property (land)? Your argument holds to some extent but most of us live on land than has been taken multiple times.

    Cagcrisp replies:
    “World courts (including US courts) have ruled numerous times that stolen Jewish artifacts by the Nazi’s have to be returned to rightful Jewish owners…regardless of how many times the artifacts have traded hands…”

    Ponder…….

  44. CaliSkier says

    Cag says: “Oh Boy…From the US Mint:

    “Surprises await—will you be the lucky one? During a recent visit to the San Francisco Mint, Treasurer Jovita Carranza and U.S. Mint Director David J. Ryder were busy hiding “Easter Eggs” of sorts. ”

    Wow is right?! Gimmick is Right! Increasing isales in product wrong, Wrong, WRONG!!!

    Potential IMO to halt sales of these products in there tracks! At least sales from there best customers! Why would anyone actually want their US Mint product to be signed by either? What on earth compelled this action? If anything perhaps the defaced COA might be construed as the product having been defaced???

    As you’ve continued to say: “SO…More and More Gimmicks…”, you’re again Spot on, almost as if you’d written the script or screenplay yourself!!! Nuts….

  45. CaliSkier says

    I’m sure other MNB readers have seen this advertise mint? Who’ll be the 1st on MNB to add this to their collection?

    “Buy 1 oz Rhodium Tuvalu South Sea Dragon Coin

    First mintage of only 1,000 coins!

    Baird & Co., Britain’s only gold refinery has launched the world’s first legal tender coin made of rhodium: the Tuvaluan $100 Coin.

    Rhodium is the one of the world’s rarest metals. It is a brittle metal which when refined metamorphoses into a dazzlingly bright, silver metal. A member of the platinum family, rhodium is 100 times rarer than gold. Baird & Co is the first company to develop the technology to manufacture rhodium bars, coins and jewelry that are machinable and not brittle.”

  46. CaliSkier says

    I’m wondering if today’s PM rebounds will hold throughout the day?

    If so, what are the chances we’ll see them stabilize at these same approximate prices or possibly continue their downward trend?

  47. ips_stuff says

    Caliskier
    (from another Socal resident)

    Don’t know that I call 4.00 on gold and 9 cents on silver much of a rebound. If countries are selling, funds are dropping gold positions and foreign currency turmoil don’t give metals a lift, I would say this one day of not dropping could be short lived. But I don’t have the keen insight that most here have, but $1140 gold next ?

  48. earthling says

    Now if those guys would put a Medal struck on a Gold planchet in a Box , THAT would pump up sales

  49. Old Big Bird says

    I know most of you do not think the 2018 S ASE Proof is worth it. But I just ordered 3 for my , my son’s and my grandson’s collection. For I am a collector. Logged on at 11;59 and went right to placing order. I did not hit any problems.

    I also collect $2 bill sets from BEP. They had an interesting item come out today. 2 $2 bills New York and Atlanta
    with matching serial numbers and a replica on the reverse of the 1918 $2 Battleship note. But again I am a collector.

  50. Daveinswfl says

    Now that BEP set with battleship reverse sounds really cool.
    Could you post a picture of it when you receive it?
    Good to hear from a true collector 😄

  51. Buzz Killington says

    Land is in a whole different category. The ownership of “land” something that I didn’t create, and has always been here, is part of the social contract. You “own” this land, subject to the obligation to pay taxes on it, etc.

    The ownership of territory didn’t use to be a thing. You “owned” land as long as you could defend it in prehistoric times. Then the King decided that he owned all the land.

    Has treatment of the native peoples living on this continent before the arrival of colonists been unfair? Of course it has. But that doesn’t get to the question of who “owns” the land under our feet.

    And it doesn’t help us decide whether stealing 1933 Gold coins should be rewarded if enough time has passed. I don’t even see the other side of the argument.

  52. earthling says

    I’m thinking a good circulated $2 Battleship Note could be had for the price of the Set of $2 Notes and the reprint of the Battleship Note included in the set. A CU64 or so Note would cost a small fortune but a circulared Note might be reasonably priced. As a bonus a Circulated Note gives you a better feel for the age, and authenticity of old Notes. CU has the aura of modern reprint all over it.

  53. A&L Futures says

    American Eagle 2018 One Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin
    Item Number: 18EH

    “This item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made. Please add the item to your cart to see when additional inventory is expected to be available.”

    The expected in-stock date is Tue Nov 06 2018.

  54. CaliSkier says

    Old Big Bird says: “I also collect $2 bill sets from BEP. They had an interesting item come out today. 2 $2 bills New York and Atlanta
    with matching serial numbers and a replica on the reverse of the 1918 $2 Battleship note. But again I am a collector.”

    I know you mentioned you collect $2 bills, however I’m hoping you meant OF not ON re: “on the reverse of the 1918 $2 Battleship note. But again I am a collector.”

    Reason being, although that would’ve been(on)a really awesome version of the $2 bill, other than matching serial numbers beginning with 2018, the $2 bills in this set have the normal 2013 Reverse, in use since the Bicentennial in 1976.

    Also since the replica 1918 Reverse is only the reverse, I wonder why the BEP had to muck it up with the word COPY, in yellow nonetheless? Probably, to make sure that any aftermarket sales/purchasers were not duped into paying an arm and both legs, thinking they were buying an actual 1918 $2 bill!

    Lastly, since I’ve never purchased any BEP products and on their website they don’t show the reverse, of this WW I 100th Commemorative $2 Collection, I’m not even sure the buyer can view the back of the product or just the front? If the purchaser is unable to see the back, IMHO you’re missing out on the best part of the 1976 to present reverse of the $2 bills!!!

    An “engraving of John Trumbull’s painting “Declaration of Independence.” The original Trumbull painting portrayed 47 people, 42 of whom were signers of the Declaration (there were 56 total). However, because of a limited amount of space on the note, five of 47 men in the painting were not included in the engraving.”!

    I just didn’t want you or other MNB readers to potentially mis-read and believe you’d receive 2013 series $2 bills with the 1918 Battleship reverse engraving! I’m sure regardless, your son & grandson will enjoy this purchase, as well as yourself!

  55. datadave says

    @Buzz – I agree with you on the land issue. On the coin issue my only comment is that with coins where the government have let sales proceed without objecting, they can’t step in later and decide to claim the coins are theirs. With the 33 double eagle, they made clear the were only going to allow the one sale that they did and that all others were still illegal. The family with 10 took a chance and lost (and I agree with that one decision). Not sure why they thought they had a case. If it was me, I would have turned 1 of them over and kept the other 9.

  56. Buzz Killington says

    @datadave —

    If you had ten, you could scrap them for 10 ounces of gold. They would have more value to you that way than as illegal 1933 Double Eagles. So, taking a chance is the exact right way to put it.

    In fact, whoever stole them might have taken hundreds, and they were eventually scrapped. We will never know, and it doesn’t matter.

  57. John Q. Coinage says

    Buzz & Data Dave, ’33’s are clear, never issued or monitized… BUT… more ? should have gone for the 1913 Lib 5c & all the patterns that somehow came out of the mint int he late 19th Century…….or the Sac 25c mule, a creation of a mint employee it appears…..

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